2009-12-22 『談』の最新号がとどく。
_ 『談』（たばこ総合研究センター発行）の最新号Ｎｏ．８６がようやくにしてとどいた。秋にはでると聞いていたので，どうなったのかな，とちょっぴり心配していた。
ことしの７月１２日（日）午後１時から，三鷹天命反転住宅で開催された「トポロジカル・トーク・セッション」をまとめたものである。主催者はもちろん「たばこ総合研究センター」であるが，その陰の仕掛け人はアルシーヴ社の編集者である佐藤真さん。この佐藤さんに誘われて，わたしもこのトークに出演することになった。題して「からだのなかにヒトが在る」・・・動物・暴力・肉体。対談のお相手に選んでくださったのは柳澤田実さん。まだ初々しさの残る若い女性研究者。ご専門は，哲学・倫理学・宗教学。
この日は，３組の対談が用意されていて，トップ・バッターの対談は河本英夫×柳澤田実さん，二番目の対談は河本英夫×宮本省三さん，そして，三番手がわたしと柳澤田実さん。久しぶりに河本さんの「オート・ポイエーシス」のその後の理論の話が聞けるという楽しみがあって，もっぱら聞き手として期待に胸をふくらませていた。案の定，ものすごいテンポの語りが繰り出され，ある意味では河本さんの独壇場。柳澤さんも宮本さんも話をかみ合わせるのに相当に苦労されたのではないか，と聞いていて同情してしまった。
しかし，こうして冊子となって読み返してみるときちんと面白い話になっているから不思議だ。編集の手が入るとこうもみごとな読物に変身してしまうものかなぁ，と驚いてしまう。つまり，ゲラの段階で相当に編集の手が入り，それをもとに対談者が自分の発言に手を入れていく。そうすると，こんなにみごとな話の展開になっていく。さすがにプロの手並みは凄い。松岡正剛の「編集工房」で鍛えられた編集者たちがあちこちで活躍している。佐藤真さんもその一人。もう一人，わたしが知っているのは『近代スポーツのミッションは終わったか』の編集に力量を発揮してくださった田村洋子さん。最近になって，ようやく「編集」ということの意味がおぼろげながらわかってきたように思う。このワザはこんごの『ＩＰＨＩＧＥＮＥＩＡ』の編集に生かしてみたいと思う。いささか遅きに失した感は否めないが・・・。
今回の対談の特集テーマは「エンボディメント」・・・人間＝機械＝動物の身体。この仕掛けの意図するところは，佐藤真さんの手になるeditor's note [before]と[after]を読むとみえてくる。多少,佐藤真さんのチカラワザのようなところも感じられるが，まずは要領よく問題の所在は整理されている。やはり佐藤真さんは大した人である。
毎回の楽しみの一つにもなっているのだが，表紙の作り方が面白い。今回は，山崎史生作品である木彫の牛人間が立っている。題して「静かな隣人／silent neighbor」２００６年（３２×１２×１６㎝，楠，水彩着色）。まさに「エンボディメント」・・・人間＝機械＝動物の身体，というわけだ。しかも，丑年の最後を飾ってもいる。まさか洒落でもあるまいが・・・。
この対談の会場となった「三鷹天命反転住宅」は，もちろん，荒川修作の作品であるが，これがまたまことに面白かった。あちこちに荒川修作の企みが仕込んであって，それらを発見する喜びもおまけについてくる。住宅であるから，実際に賃貸住宅として貸し出してもいて，実際に人が住んで暮らしている。また，短期の貸し出しもあるとのことなので，ここを借りて合宿研究会なども可能だという。一度，試してみたいと思う。
内容については今夜は割愛。じつにスリリングなトークが展開しているので，ぜひ，読んでください。なお，この本は大きな書店には置いてある。値段は８００円なので購入していただければ，なお，結構なこと。
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